ANDREW D. BASIAGO responds to MICHAEL SALLA:
[Bracketed materials are excerpts from Michael Salla's letter to Andrew D. Basiago]
SALLA: <I have never called you a liar Andy.>
BASIAGO: True, but you have repeatedly attacked my public statements as untrue, despite the fact that from the beginning they have all been true and you have no evidence that they have not been true.
SALLA: <I think you are, without knowing it, still in a program where you are downloaded information to disseminate to others for an undisclosed agenda.>
BASIAGO: This is a mere supposition on your part. You have no factual basis to allege this theory of my case. I was a participant in two historic programs, DARPA's Project Pegasus, about which I have retrieved and communicated hundreds of facts, and the CIA's Mars visitation program, for which I have already proffered one participant and for which I will soon be proffering a second participant. I am simply sharing what happened to me.
SALLA: <You have ingratiated yourself with Alfred who has lost all reason and backed you to the point of discrediting himself in the wider exopolitics community.>
BASIAGO: You have no basis to make a judgment about the nature of my friendship with Alfred. I have never ingratiated myself with anybody. You don't know me. Alfred and I are profound friends, strategic allies, and creative collaborators. Your assertion that you can characterize a friendship is highly presumptuous.
When you talk about Alfred discrediting himself in the exopolitics community, I ask: Is this the Michael Salla who presented at [James] Gilliland's in 2006 about creating nature parks for human-ET interaction and then went on Coast to Coast AM and admitted that ET behavior has been characterized, for the most part, by stealth? Whose wife presented a lecture about swimming with the dolphins as a way to "channel ET"? In comparison, Alfred has had the intelligence to recognize the significance of my experiences and has had the integrity to support my Truth Campaign.
SALLA: <Anyone who, like you, has been through trauma based mind control deserves support and sympathy.>
BASIAGO: Well, that's great, Michael. Problem is, I have never been through "trauma based mind control." Why do you insinuate that I have? I told you that I was subjected to efforts to make us comply with the secrecy regime and to not talk about what happened. Your allegation of TBMC is unfounded and is an academic conceit that you have superimposed over the facts of my case. In fact, you have been too academically unprincipled to explore the facts of my case. You have made a snap judgment.
SALLA: <Uncritically accepting what such individuals have to say carries many risks as I have pointed out for others such as Dan Burisch, Charles Hall, etc.>
BASIAGO: In point of fact, you, who purports to be an historian of UFO history, have totally missed the boat by not examining my claims and realizing that my experiences reveal a whole new chapter in the US government's covert response to the ET situation. In Project Pegasus, I was even trained in the ASTART alphabet for ET-human communication and you haven't even interviewed me. Along the way, you have made it your business to defame a respected colleague (Alfred) and a key whistle blower (Andy). So, I have to ask. Who are you working for? The truth? The intelligence community? Which is it?
SALLA: <It's only when Alfred began uncritically supporting your claims that he lost all support and credibility.>
BASIAGO: Alfred has supported many people with different allegations and experiences and unlike you hasn't superimposed a misinformed judgment over them. I will leave it to him to make his judgments as to whose experiences he reports. I can say that he has sought not so much to be understood as to understand. That's why his work has been groundbreaking and revolutionary and yours has been pedestrian and sterile. It's almost like you're a gatekeeper for what the CIA wants to release about the ET situation. I think that at this point the balance of the equities indicates that you are an operative. If you are not, then I would urge you to do some soul-searching and acknowledge that your egotism has caused you to fail to comprehend that I am a key whistle blower from within the postwar US defense community that was dealing with how to respond to perceived threats posed by the ETs and the Soviets. Having said all that, I forgive you, just as I forgive everybody who fails to comprehend what I experienced.
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Just remember that Michael Wolf with his "Catchers of Heaven" book fooled people for years. He had all the answers as well and created an entire fictional life full of supposed government and ET involvement. So how much turned out to be true? Well his first name was Michael, I'll give him that. For a lesson on people with wild claims, see the interview with his brother at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpU871OA4WY
Posted by: Not Buyingit | 04 October 2012 at 07:59
The well known names (could be) working for the counter intelligence. And I have the feeling most of the well known names are employees from the NSA, CIA, FBI etc. and infiltrated the exopolitics community several decades ago. So in other words when a “disclosure petition” is there in actually it’s the government asking the government…! The clandestine group responsible managing all what’s about E.T. are the well known names in the exopolitics community. Good luck!
Posted by: CallMeMaster | 20 January 2012 at 04:59
This back and forth won't help with anyone's vibration.
Everyone has their place is this drama. The key is not to get too entangled in it that you end up dropping in vibration.
Take a step back and realize whichever "team" either is playing for, it doesn't matter. They are neither wrong or right. Those are just labels. And really, life is too short to fight over such things.
Be well everyone, and remember we need to remain lovingly detached from our experiences. If we fight, it will just be harder as the higher frequencies hit our dimension.
Love to all in these amazing times!
Posted by: LP | 19 January 2012 at 17:43
Conmen bent on shilling a book later this year. Way to capitalize on an election year by jumping on the obama hate-wagon.
Riddle me this Andy:
Why only in an election year have you started talking about Obama on Mars?
why no mention of him in 2008,2009,2010 in your "evidence" you fabricated not he mars site that has no new information?
Answer: because he will claim he just remembered that Obama was on Mars, He will claim that me and anyone else is a government disinformation agent feeding into the paranoia of his already gullible fan base. Its predictable and its pure marketing at its finest.
Just wait he will be telling you about his 3 independent source. (note to Andy and Alfred: 3 people that work together on a project are not independent of each other).
Posted by: Another government disinformation agent | 16 January 2012 at 07:18
Andrew interviewed me probably almost a decade ago. I can attest to the fact that he does his research honestly and straight-forwardly. Some of his questions were leading ones, which tends to put thoughts and answers into people's minds and mouths. Being a survivor of TBMC myself (although I still don't know why or whether it was for an MC program or just coincidental) and having done a lot of research on such programs, as well as having met many people involved in these issues, including other survivors and handler/programmers, I have no doubt that Andrew is what he says he is.
Posted by: Jennifer Van Bergen | 16 January 2012 at 05:09
Salla: "I think you are, without knowing it, still in a program where you are downloaded information to disseminate to others for an undisclosed agenda". Salla could be in such a program himself AND not know it, furthermore the "I think" is another issue, not a known fact. It's good to express yourself, right now, I tend to believe Basiago. Both of these guys seem sincere, and those downloaded programs in people's brains need more than an "I think" I want some serious examples. Those programs to download would be some terribly high tech and anyone would have them all over the world now. There would be tons of examples, anyone know where they are?
Posted by: valerie brooks | 16 January 2012 at 01:04
Attn gatekeeper: Stop removing this TRUE comment that's been published everywhere else in the UFO "community". You cannot suppress the truth - it's already "out there".
False statement: Basiago: "Alfred has supported many people with different allegations and experiences and unlike you hasn't superimposed a misinformed judgment over them."
Truth: ANYONE who disagrees with Alf gets called "cointelpro" or "CIA agent" and so forth. It's been publicly recognized elsewhere and in several locations world wide by hundreds of readers. What the fully aware see here are several confused beings all equally expressing their truly confused and typically human limited perspectives before a galactic response to 10,500 years of the same old cyclical problem.
Thank-you all for making this year's decision so very easy to conclude.
PS: Obama is no "savior" - he is the NDAA "King" of the NWO, which every awakened human being knows by now. So much for "Superman" and his "Non-terrestrial officers" (Project Paperclip Area 51 Nazis exposed by Gary McKinnon)
Posted by: Not on anyone's "side" | 15 January 2012 at 23:17
Michael - You will take any excuse to avoid responsibility for your actions and blow smoke in people's eyes.
We were very clear on Facebook as to a 3rd eye witness. Andy stated: "Andrew D. Basiago
"My claim that Barack Obama (then known as "Barry Soetoro") was in the jump room program in the early 1980's that included myself, William B. Stillings, and Regina E. Dugan will soon be corroborated by a third participant. The new whistle blower was a US intelligence community investigator tasked with determining whether the jump room was accessing Mars in real time or some other domain in the time-space continuum." Jan. 14, 2012. Start doing your Mars homework and stop debunking Mars research. In Light, Alfred ;-)
Posted by: Alfred Lambremont Webre | 15 January 2012 at 19:49
Alfred, again you make a misleading statement. I did NOT write a letter to Basiago. I was in a private three way facebook conversation with you and Andy to discuss my original comment regarding how you misrepresented the number of witnesses to come forward on the Obama/Mars claim. Without my permission, you/Andy chose to circulate one of my comments, and call it a letter. It seems you are intent on creating a storm in teacup over my calling you out on misrepresenting how many witnesses have come forward on the Mars/Obama claim. Serious researchers welcome close scrutiny over claims and evidence. Those engaged in a deception do not which does raise some big questions over Basiago's claims regarding Mars .
Posted by: Michael Salla | 15 January 2012 at 19:11
Hot Damn Go Andrew! We deserve the truth and nothing less. We are sovereign beings who deserve to be treated as such. They're not many things that impress me but this interview did. Bravo.
Posted by: Cooperative Enlightened Living | 15 January 2012 at 17:27
Nicely put, Andy.
Posted by: Fred | 15 January 2012 at 17:04
ASTART? ATBASH?
Posted by: Ingrid | 15 January 2012 at 16:56