Editors note: This is part of a special series of interviews focusing on the 2008 Roswell UFO Festival and the Burlington Vortex Conference, October 24 - November 2nd. RNN is joined by Jon Kelly, an experiential researcher known for his studies of secret backwards messages encoded in human speech along with the production of spiritual phenomena recorded on camera. A popular guest in the media, his unique catalogues of audio and photographic materials have been featured on over 1000 international radio and television programs.

RNN: Jon, thank you for doing this interview. I want to get right at it, so let's being with the question: Are there secret unconscious messages hidden backwards in human speech?

KELLY: Yes there are and we can detect these messages with the help of a digital audio editing workstation. Most people know about Freudian slips that occur when the unconscious mind takes temporary control of the speech organs. People may end up saying things they later regret but these slips are involuntary on their part.

For example, when Stephen Grant told police he wanted to participate in the search of a local Michigan park to find his missing wife, he tried to say "I know the area". But instead, he mouthed the words "I know ... the dead ... the area."

To the casual listener it sounded as if Grant was simply mumbling as if he were at a loss for words. But upon closer inspection it was obvious to me that his unconscious mind was attempting to confess to the murder of his wife Tara Lynn Grant, whose body police found later, hidden in the garage of the family home.

The recording of Grant’s slip is significant because the unconscious message is given in a separate voice that is easily distinguished by tonal and inflectional qualities from Grant’s normal speech. Now imagine the same distinct voice involuntarily delivering the same verifiable information but encoded in reverse.

This is what we are observing when we listen to speech recordings played backwards.

RNN: What are some of the things that happen when people listen to backwards speech recordings for the first time?

KELLY: Listening to backwards messages can provoke a number of physiological responses, including hair-raising, goose bumps and shivers going up and down the spine. These responses indicate the powers of backwards messages to invoke feelings from within beyond any powers of suggestion the presenter may have. For people learning how to detect the messages for themselves it is not uncommon that they will hear their own unconscious material while listening to the speech of others.

In Yoga, the tranquil mind is like a mirror that can reflect cosmic qualities to the observer, just like a pool of undisturbed water that provides a clear reflection of the moon. People who want to advance in their listening practice have to take care to maintain a harmonious balance in their lives in order to access and share undistorted perceptions of hidden realities with others.

RNN: You have listened backwards to the speeches of people describing contact with space craft from other civilizations. What did you find out?

KELLY: When President Jimmy Carter told reporters late last year that he didn’t think flying saucers were the vehicles of space people visiting the earth, I played his speech in reverse and heard the words "Saucer. Went out naked. Going out. They’ll put it in him". Although it was part of his campaign promise, this message made me wonder if the President had more personal reasons for sending Alfred Webre to SRI in the 1970’s in order to release the government’s secret research on extraterrestrials. From my reading of the message it describes Carter as a potential abductee.

RNN: You’ve used this method for forensic research. What are some of the cases you’ve studied and what did you discover?

KELLY: Bonnie Lee Bakley’s private telephone tapes of her calls to her friends were released to the public after she was shot dead in the front seat of actor Robert Blake’s truck. When I listened to her speech in reverse I could hear her say "I know he’ll murder me". Although Bakley’s message did not name her killer, she demonstrated the unconscious premonition of her own death and the circumstances surrounding it.

In another case, when Wichita police arrested Dennis Rader on suspicion as the BTK Killer, Rader gave a telephone interview from the jailhouse. When I played the audio backwards I could hear Rader say "The demons influence that guy". The real BTK used to send letters to the police and media back in the 1970’s claiming he was possessed by "a demon". The parallel vocabulary in Rader’s backwards message identified him as the killer and I reported that story on Wichita morning radio 15 minutes before Rader confessed. Rader later gave another interview where he stated plainly that he felt he was possessed by "a demon".

Rader’s story is significant when you consider how it demonstrates the subject’s voluntary validation of the contents of their own messages. The positive identification of BTK using this method provides powerful testimony to the accuracy and reliability of these studies in discovering pathways for forensic investigation.

RNN: Is there any institutional academic or scientific research that supports your claims?

KELLY: The journal Nature reported several years ago that scientists in the UC system had researched the human ability to detect speech when it was incrementally time-sliced and rearranged backwards. The AP ran the story as "The Brain Understands Backwards Speech". A recent article in Scientific American also discusses multiple universes where time can run in reverse. Time symmetry between dimensions of reality could allow for circumstances under which it may be possible to compose and transmit a message that is time-reversed to the clock of our world. Certainly this kind of transmission is what we are detecting in my speech studies.

Yoga also describes the mind in terms of its ability to access multiple dimensions via the cakras. And my photography reveals the luminous signatures of voice communications manifesting multidimensional realities concurrently. When evaluating the overall credibility of my research I think it’s important to reflect that my catalogue contains a wealth of instrumental recordings, a clearly defined timeline of events where I have reported news items before they became mainstream realities, hundreds of thousands of witnesses to these public events and independent third-party documentation in the form of aircheck recordings provided by the radio stations themselves.

RNN: Why are the messages encoded backwards?

KELLY: The concept of the mirror as a place of inner discovery is ancient and universal. We find the mirror in Shamanism, Taoism, Tantra Yoga, the water bowl of Nostradamus and the magic mirrors of Western European folklore. In "Alice Through the Looking Glass" Lewis Carroll leads us on an adventure into the dream world of a child accessed by stepping through the mirror in her bedroom. There she finds a world where time marches backwards and we know this describes a condition of her unconscious mind because the entire story is taking place inside of a dream.

From these examples we can see that the mirror enjoys wide recognition in human culture as an instrument of the unconscious mind. Backwards messages that mirror the timeline of forwards speech distinguish themselves with this signature of unconscious communications.

RNN: You use your own procedure based on this method to help groups and individuals access and resolve their own unconscious issues. What are some of the reasons people use your service and what happens in the sessions?

KELLY: Many of the people who call for sessions are attempting to manage transitions in their personal or professional lives and are seeking resources that can empower them to make important changes. The session follows a routine schedule where I interview the participant for 10 minutes, then study the audio recording for 30 minutes. Then we share and explore the messages in the remaining time. One thing I can say about this procedure is that it provides an excellent short-term intervention usually leading to catharsis in the first session.



The wellness model that I use in my approach describes the human body with energetic meridians and flow regulators that are sensitive to pressure from sound waves. In the session, these meridians and regulators are accessed through the sound of the backwards messages. When people hear their messages, they identify feelings and visual information at these particular locations. When they engage that information through the experiential approach used in the session, they find the creative resources to overcome their life obstacles and demonstrate remarkable turnarounds in their behaviour and the quality of their daily lives.

The key information discovered in the sessions that leads to the resolution of present-day issues is usually related to the audible residue of attachments to unresolved traumas of the past. From my perspective as a clinician, I see that when we believe in our ability to be well and take action to seek out resources that can support our healthy lifestyle, we find the strength to let go and move beyond the bondages of our unresolved pain. We begin to feel that there is more love than pain in our lives and we learn to love ourselves.

RNN: You’ve spent over two decades studying meditation and yoga. What does yoga tell us about speech and the power of the human voice to liberate our unconscious creativity?

KELLY: In Yoga, the human voice is used to express devotion through song such as bhajan and kiirtan. The voice is also used in the repetition of mantra, which is sound recognized for its special abilities to liberate the microcosmic human potential known as kundalini. The kundalini resides in the sacrum in one of the flow regulators or cakras below the tip of the tailbone and ascends upon awakening through a central meridian that follows the spinal column up to and into the top of the skull.

In Yoga this ascending action is the spiritual journey and its completion is the purpose of a multi-million year odyssey of incarnations culminating in human birth. The completion of this journey is accompanied by overwhelming experiences of extreme ecstasy and is known as Samadhi in Yoga or Nirvana in Buddhism or Satori in Zen.

Listening to secret backwards messages can also produce this awakening effect. Radio host Lan Lamphere once told me his kundalini had ascended as the result of my recording his voice then playing back one of his secret messages on the air during a live show. He said that after hearing the message powerful energies began moving up his back and up and down his arms to the point where he was losing control of his ability to continue the broadcast.

Yoga teaches us that with dedicated practice we can learn to use our voices to help us achieve the goal of meditation. For those who require immediate help with their emotional wellness, a practitioner can facilitate access to the harmony of awakened personal creativity by detecting messages hidden backwards in the voice and playing that audio back to the speaker in a session. As we can see from Lan’s experience these messages can awaken the microcosmic potential, representing an incredible increase in personal creative energy for the participant.

RNN: You’ve also used your knowledge of yoga and meditation to create photographs of spiritual events. What kinds of images have you recorded and what do the images mean?

KELLY: According to the methods that I follow, the universe is populated with non-physical entities called devas in Sanskrit. There are classes of devas who are attracted to spiritual practices and they will travel great distances to attend when people concentrate upon a high ideal. The presence of these entities helps to create an uplifting mental environment for meditation and they can even manifest visibly as luminous forms.

While visiting with friends near Yosemite I was sitting in the backyard of a home where I had been practicing meditation for several days. I had recently visited the ranch of James Gilliland in Washington where I was inspired by the orb photography and appearances of visible lights when the photos were taken. I had my digital camera with me and was casually snapping photographs as it was getting dark when suddenly in front of me several points of intensely bright light appeared and arcs of energy leaped between them like lightning arcing from point to brilliant point. This occurred while I was taking a photo, and when I saw what the camera had recorded, there appeared to be hundreds of tiny discs emitting colourful coronas, and within the coronas were clearly defined faces.

To the naked eye, all that could be seen were these incredibly bright points of light that crackled and sparkled while energies arced between them. The camera however captured more and for me this incident began several years of intensive practice in developing my photography to the point where I have a substantial collection of discs, the faces of the occupants, interdimensional wormholes and travellers, clues to the origins of the universe, representations of classical icons from world traditions and images with mirror-encoded faces and icons as well.

The language of the photographs actually describes voice phenomena visually in terms such as the "word of creation" and the "cosmic sound" that sustains the harmonic balance of reality.

RNN: You encountered a number of mysterious experiences from the time you were a child. What are some of the things that happened and how did these events inform your outlook as a researcher?

KELLY: I had many experiences including the observation of mysterious lights in the sky and the presence of ghosts. One of my early encounters occurred during summer camp as a child where I became the close-up witness to a juvenile Sasquatch in the woods near Mt. Elphinstone in British Columbia. The encounter occurred on a moon-lit night when I awoke during an overnight camping expedition and walked into the bush to relieve myself. I looked over my shoulder and saw the face of a young hairy being crouched in the bushes observing me with a gentle nature. I quickly finished my business and hurried back to camp where I crawled into my sleeping bag, put the cover over my head and began to dream. In my dream I received lucid instructions and guidance from an albino Sasquatch, who from his warm and gentle behaviour seemed like a "grandfather" to me.

Visual contact with the face of the Sasquatch opened my mind like an archetypal key opening the gateway to a lucid dream. Faces appear in my photo collection, which is populated with faces and faces that appear in mirrors. I also saw the face of BTK when I looked into the mirror of Dennis Rader’s speech signal. Face and language recognition are the mind’s ancient meaning-making mechanisms and these abilities are found in insects and birds. Because we see that these forms of life appeared hundreds of millions of years before the first humans, we know that if people see faces or hear messages it is because their minds are evolutionarily engineered to do so.

My Sasquatch encounter told me that every mystery has both an outer and inner component. The sighting provided an external dimension and the dream it inspired revealed the inner. We know that access to special events may be rare and only possible under certain circumstances. However, the inner world is always available with unlimited access and I have been exploring these dimensions of life’s mysteries ever since".

RNN: Where can people find out more about your work?

KELLY: People can visit me online at www.yourinnervoice.com or call my toll-free number 1 888 453 0751.

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